Friday, April 3, 2009

Friday's NHL Squiggles

I really just wanted to use the word squiggles. Squiggles are crooked lines, plus it's really just a pretty kill word. Anyhow.....

P.U.T.P.W. (Possible Upsets That Pay Well)
Maple Leafs (+250) @ Flyers
Flames (E) @ Wild

D.N.L. (Damn Near Locks)
Devils (-350) vs Lightning
Blackhawks (-200) vs Predators

B.T.E.O.V. (Beware The Eyes Of Vegas)
Capitals (-160) vs Sabres

NOTES
  • Leafs @ Flyers is closer to a coin flip than you think. Biron is 1-2 vs Leafs this year.
  • Flames are 5-0 vs Wild this year
  • Kevin Weekes is 2-0 this year vs Lightning. Lecavalier is out for the season. Devils are due for a breakout game.
  • Khabibulin is undefeated vs Predators this season. Blackhawks clinch playoff berth with win.
  • Capitals are starting rookie Varlamov in goal tonight. Buffalo must win to stay alive in playoff chase.

YOU SAY HIGH, I SAY LOW
Leafs @ Flyers - Under 6.5
Lightning @ Devils - Over 5.5
Sabres @ Capitals - Under 6
Thrashers @ Panthers - Over 6
Flames @ Wild - Under 5
Predators @ Blackhawks - Under 5.5

NOTES
  • I'd stay away from the Flyers game, the Capitals game and the Devils game as far as the under/over goes if possible.

Random Cutler Links

I figured I'd just beat the dead horse. Thanks Worldwide Leader! I learned by watching you!
That's enough, for now. Seriously. Not for fake.

The Cutler Trade (A Historical Perspective)

Cutler Trade
The Bears gave up: (full details here)
2009 1st round pick
2009 3rd round pick
2010 1st round pick
Kyle Orton

*Bears receive Jay Cutler and a 2009 5th round pick

Looks like a lot huh? Let's compare this trade to some other large trades in the last couple of decades.

Herschel Walker Trade
The Vikings gave up: (full details here)
3 1st round picks
3 2nd round picks
1 3rd round pick
1 6th round pick
3 players

*Vikings receive Herschel Walker, 2 3rd round picks, 1 5th round pick, 1 10th round pick

Some of these picks were conditions, check out the link for the full breakdown. Overall this was a miserable failure for the Vikings. The Cowboys literally turned this haul of draft picks and players into a dynasty. History is shown that you can rebuild through the draft. So the more quality picks you have, the faster you can rebuild. Positional value is a bit different these days, I don't know if a team could get 2 first round picks in exchange for a running back today. Probably for Peterson. But quarterbacks are so highly valued. (Looking at the Cutler trade I would I guess that the assigned value for Kyle Orton was a 2nd round pick. That's not a throw in.) If Walker was in his prime today my guess is you could get a 1st and a 3rd for him. So comparatively, the Cutler trade looks like a bank robbery with a clean getaway.

The Jon Gruden Trade
The Bucs gave up: (full details here)
2 1st round draft picks
2 2nd round draft picks
Cash (rumored to be several million dollars)

*Bucs receive coach Jon Gruden

Yeah I know Gruden was a coach, but it's the actual trade I'm looking at. The Bucs claim they would do this trade again 100% of the time because they won the Super Bowl. How do they know that they wouldn't have won the Super Bowl anyway with Tony Dungy? I guess you could argue that they might have lost to Gruden in the Super Bowl if he coached the Raiders. But the NFC that year was basically just the Eagles and Bucs. But they did get Gruden and did win the Super Bowl so it the trade worked, they won the battle. But they ultimately lost the war because they were never able to add high-end young talent to their nucleus. They had an elite defense for years but could never get over the top after that Super Bowl. No one will ever pay this much for a coach ever again. I just can't see it happening. There is a reason it seems like the Bucs got old and fell apart all at once and this trade (and the Keyshawn trade) are at the heart of that reason. I like the Cutler deal better than this trade. Plus there will be some great coaches on the open market next year, there won't be any 25 year old starting quarterbacks who've been to the Pro Bowl already.

The Keyshawn Johnson Trade
The Bucs gave up: (full details here)
2 1st round draft picks

*Bucs receive Keyshawn Johnson

I could basically say the same things about the Johnson trade as I did about the Gruden trade. At the time the Bucs had a good-to-great defense and their offense have Dunn/Alstott and nothing. I guess their thinking was "if we can't get a good QB let's at least get a good WR". So they went out and got Keyshawn. Did Keyshawn play a key role in winning the Super Bowl? Yes he did. Looking back on it, I like this trade more than the Gruden trade. At least Keyshawn was later traded for Joey Galloway who gave the Bucs a couple of good years. These days Anquan Boldin is a good comparison for Keyshawn's value and it looks like Boldin would cost a 1st round pick and maybe a player in trade. So the Bucs overpaid for Keyshawn a bit, but they did need him. I like the Cutler trade a bit more than this, but by itself was a pretty good trade. When coupled with the Gruden trade it completely mortgaged the Bucs' future.

The Joey Galloway Trade
The Cowboys gave up: (full details here)
2 1st round picks

*Cowboys receive Joey Galloway

This is a classic Jerry Jones swinging for the fences trade. 2 first rounders was way too much to give up for Galloway and it never really worked out for the Cowboys. Maybe Jones felt bad about getting such a haul for Walker from the Vikings. No matter what way you cut it, the Cutler trade looks like a home run compared to this deal.

The Roy Williams Trade
The Cowboys gave up: (full details here)
1 1st round pick
1 3rd round pick
1 6th round pick

*Cowboys receive Roy Williams and a 7th round pick

Too early to really evaluate this deal. This is only 1 first rounder less than the Cutler deal. Which makes it quite pricey for a WR deal in this era. This is probably the baseline deal for any other WR deals this year. Braylon Edwards, Anquan Boldin, I'm talkin to you. Jerry Jones overpaid for two reasons. First he needed T.O. leverage. He ultimately leveraged him right out of town. Second, Jones was pretty sure that if he didn't get Williams before the trade deadline, the Eagles would get him before the draft this year. Given the fact that the Eagles have two first round picks he was probably right.

The Jared Allen Trade

The Vikings give up: (full details here)
1 1st round pick
2 3rd round picks

*Vikings receive Jared Allen and sway 6th round picks with the Chiefs

Given the value being placed on premium pass-rushers today, this was a pretty good deal. Jared Allen is one of the best in the NFL and he's squarely in his prime. I doubt you could completely replace him, even with an extra first and a couple thirds. I'd put this deal slightly ahead of the Cutler deal. Part of that is because it seems like it's working out well for the Vikings and Allen was a bit more proven when he was trade than Cutler was.

The Eli Manning Trade
The Giants gave up: (full details here)
Philip Rivers
1 1st round pick
1 3rd round pick
1 5th round pick

*Giants receive Eli Manning

Here's another deal that the team claims they'd do again 100% of the time when given the chance. Just for the record, the 1st round pick they gave up turned in Shawne Merriman, the 3rd round pick turned into a Pro Bowl kicker and the 5th round pick was traded for a guy who started at LT for the Chargers for a while. You're telling me the Giants couldn't have won the Super Bowl with Philip Rivers AND Merriman instead of Eli? Don't lie to make friends. But in a vacuum (assume I don't know who the draft picks turn into) I still don't know how much I like this trade. Rivers was every bit of the pro prospect Manning was. I like Manning and Rivers more than Kyle Orton but it's not a crazy comparison, at least between Manning and Orton. Seriously, check the stats. It looks like the Bears still gave up more for Cutler than the Giants gave up for Eli, if you grade Rivers much high than Orton. Which I would. But Cutler is at least mostly proven himself, Eli just had a last name and some college film We'll call it a draw, for now.


I've ignored other deals here obviously, I just wanted to compared deals where a large package of picks was traded for a single player. I know there have been other deals but these were more prominent in my mind when I wrote this. I wanted to avoid draft day deals but there's one deal I need to address. Okay, had to add the Eli deal. When I look at the Cutler deal compared to these other deals, I see pretty good value. Did the Bears pay out the ass for Cutler? Absolutely. Might it be worth it? Probably. I'm assuming Cutler stays mostly healthy and plays football for another 10 years. You've got to figure if Cutler could start for the Bears for 10 years he's at least worth the two first round picks. You know the Bears would blow at least two more first rounders on QB's in the next ten years if they didn't have Cutler. That alone seems to make it worth it for me. Physically, Cutler is a good fit for playing in the NFC North and he'll be embraced in Chicago so hard and so fast, he'll be quite scared.

The one thing nobody has talked about yet is Cutler's contract. He's received most of the money already due to the bonus structure of the deal. I believe he's making just over $1 million this year. For a starting QB, that's insane. I've always been of the position that if the Broncos had just offered Cutler an extension he would've taken it and it would've been all good between Cutler and the Broncos. Yet the Broncos chose not to offer an extension, nor has an extension been announced in conjunction with this trade. Given the acrimony between the Broncos franchise and Cutler it's quite possible that the Bears never spoke to Cutler before acquiring him. At the least, no substantive contract took place. Just something to watch out for in the coming weeks. I wonder if the Bears are waiting for the Giants to extend Eli? It will be interesting to see which QB signs his extension first, especially given the current economic climate and upcoming CBA talks.

Thursday, April 2, 2009

Cutler To The Bears

According to Jay Glazer of FoxSports.com and reported by ProFootballTalk.com Jay Cutler is a Chicago Bear. The rumored cost of Cutler - 2 first round picks, a third round pick and Kyle Orton. The Bears will receive Cutler and fifth round pick from the Broncos.

So how does this look for the Bears? It could be worse. I think they would've been better off swapping Urlacher or Hester instead of a 2nd first round pick but they needed Cutler. Orton is extraneous with Cutler on board so throwing him in the deal amounts to nothing. For a Bears team with a lot of needs this is a pretty big deal.

Look for the Bears to get a bit more active with the available free agents. I could see both Orlando Pace and Torry Holt getting long looks by the Bears now. They need OL and WR help and with only 1 pick on the first day of the draft they will have to look elsewhere to fill those needs. Not to mention they need pass-rush help, another corner or two and possibly two safeties. Maybe they turn around now and deal Urlacher for an additional second round pick. I doubt it, but with the Cutler acquisition the Chicago front office has bought themselves at least a year's worth of goodwill.

This should help take a little bit of leverage away from Donovan McNabb, the Bears were always the go-to team in any McNabb trade scenario. I think Brandon Marshall should be able to hold most of his fantasy value but I would expect Eddie Royal and Brandon Stokely to lose some value with the loss of Cutler. Tony Scheffler will have a new address soon enough. One guy I like more today is Greg Olsen. Cutler loves him some tight ends and Olsen is very similar to Tony Scheffler.

More thoughts later. I can't wait to hear the reactions from Washington and New York.

Can Cutler Cut It?

Tampa Bay Online is reporting that the Broncos asking price for Jay Cutler starts at two first-round draft picks.

That's already a steep price. In addition to that I'm willing to bet they're also looking for a young player or two, if not a potential starting QB and/or a centerpiece for their rebuilding defense. Remember, Tony Scheffler is on the trading block as well, don't count out a package deal. This will most likely end up being a three or four team trade as it is. Very few teams have the ammo to match what the Broncos want in a straight-up trade. Only the Redskins or the Jets are probably crazy enough to give up three or more first-round picks in order to sweep in and get Cutler before another team can make the Broncos a better or more practical offer.

Is Cutler worth all of this? My gut says, probably. I don't think he's ever going to be a pinpoint accurate passer. He's going to throw a few more interceptions than you like. But he's got a cannon and can make every single throw there is on a football field. He's cocky but that would probably fly in a younger locker room where he is the unquestioned leader. Worst-case scenario is that he is a slightly above-average starter. Think Jake Delhomme or even Gus Frerotte with much more physical talent. That's a borderline Pro Bowler with Super Bowl potential. Remember, not so long ago Rex Grossman started a Super Bowl game.

So let's try to simplify things a bit. Here's a list of teams that will not being acquiring Cutler. We'll call this the:

Not A Chance In Hell List
Colts
Patriots
Steelers
Packers
Saints
Cowboys
Giants
Falcons
Ravens
Bengals

Bronco's Wouldn't Do It List
Chiefs (Broncos would probably do it for Cassel and a first rounder)
Chargers (Straight up for Rivers who is in the last year of his deal)
Raiders (They'd probably offer Russell straight up and the Broncos would laugh)

*Note, the Broncos play in the same division of these three teams. They won't trade Cutler in the division unless their getting Cassel or Rivers in return. Yeah, probably not happening. Try about 95% Not Happening.

Extreme Long Shots
Seahawks - The Hawks would have do something like send the Broncos Hasselbeck, their second round pick, swap first round picks with the Broncos and throw in a future third round pick. Might be worth it for the Hawks. The Broncos could draft Sanchez with the Seahawks pick (or Stafford if he fell) and start Hasselbeck for the next 1-2 seasons.

Eagles - Would the Eagles give up McNabb, Kolb and a draft pick? Probably not. I don't know if McNabb would fit McDaniels' system and I really doubt Cutler could fit into Andy Reid's system. But both coaches would be arrogant enough to try it. Both quarterbacks are also looking for new contracts. The Broncos have recent acquired three former Eagles, if that means anything.

Texans - Could the Texans be tempted to move the oft-injured Matt Schuab? Schuab and their first round pick would certainly be a tempting offer for the Broncos. I doubt that the Texans would offer such a deal, but you never know.

Jaguars - Pretty much the same deal as the teams above, probably most similar to the Seahawks deal. The Jags could offer David Garrard, their second round pick, swap first round picks and give up another player or future pick. Again, I'm not sure the Broncos would want Garrard and I think it's too early for the Jags to give up on the QB they just extended last year.

Titans - This would be the interesting one. Would Denver have any interest in Kerry Collins, Vince Young and some other picks and/or players. The Titans could throw in LenDale White or Jevon Kearse. If the Titans could get Cutler without giving up one of their first day picks this year or next I think they would think long and hard about the deal. (That's what she said)

Bills - They just shook up the team by acquiring T.O. and they seem committed to young Trent Edwards. They could end up being a landing spot for Tony Scheffler though. The Bills could jump in on this deal if it becomes a multiple-team monstrosity and the Bills decide that they're going to move Jason Peters. If the Bills could get Cutler and Scheffler for Peters and Edwards I think that they would at least have to seriously consider it. It's a good year to be looking for an OT in the draft.

Miami - Jay Cutler just doesn't seem like a Parcells guy does he? The Dolphins have some nice young talent including two recent second round draft picks at QB. Would the Dolphins give up Henne and Pennington for Cutler? Maybe. I don't think that it would be a slam dunk 'yes'. The Dolphins have their QB plan in place, look for them to stick to it.

Rams - The Rams could offer the same thing as the Jags or Seahawks. A veteran QB (Bulger), a second round pick, the right to move up in the first round and a future pick. It would seem to be a waste to put Cutler's cannon arm indoors but he's got a lot more mileage left than Bulger does. Bulger might fit McDaniels' system but his health is a major question mark.

Cardinals - This one is extremely intriguing. Even if they could trade Matt Leinart straight up for Cutler I can't see Cutler or Warner sitting for even a quarter of a game, much less a season. So if the Cards really were interested in acquiring Cutler, it would be Warner who had to go. If the Cards just want to jump in as a third team they could offer up Leinart and try to get a draft pick to draft another young QB. Again, this is extremely doubtful but shit does happen.

Vikings - Despite what they say I would think the Vikings would say yes if they were offered Cutler for Rosenfels and Tavaris Jackson. That's not going to happen though. I don't think the Vikings will be involved in this unless they can trade Chester Taylor away for another asset to make a differnt sort of offer, or get in on a three or four team deal.

Again, these are all long-shot possibilities. I'd say there's about an 80% chance of these deals NOT HAPPENING.

So if you add up all of the teams on the Not A Chance In Hell List (10 teams), the Broncos Wouldn't Do It List (3 teams) and the Extreme Longshots List (10 teams) you have 23 teams that most likely won't be acquiring Jay Cutler. Add the Broncos themselves to that list and you have 24 teams. That means there's only about 8 teams with a realistic desire to have Jay Cutler as their starting QB this year. Well, 8 teams that are just in the position to do so at this time, I'm sure a lot of teams would like to get Cutler depending on the circumstances. Those 8 teams are:

Lions
Bears
Redskins
Panthers
Bucs
49er's
Jets
Browns

The teams are listed in no particular order. Random thoughts on these teams:

I would think that the Lions should jump all over Cutler but I don't think they're going to. The Broncos don't want the first pick so the Lions would either have to make this a multiple-team trade or make some deals of their own before dealing with the Broncos. Plus the rumors are swirling that they're falling for Stafford.

Boy do the Bears need Cutler. He's got the arm to play in that division in December and the Bears offense isn't afraid to let the quarterback sling it around. Just think of Cutler as Rex Grossman on steroids. Which is basically what the Bears need. Their problem is they don't really have the goods to get Cutler. I'm guessing that Orton would be thrown in any deal. For the Bears to make it interesting Devin Hester and/or Brian Urlacher would have to be involved. Is it worth it for the Bears to gut their team? Probably. They've struggle to find a QB for two decades. They just need to man up and go for it. They can't afford to draft another first round QB and fail.

I hear the Redskins want Cutler insanely bad. If they get him the rumors of the Mastermind coming to DC next year will probably come true. The Redskins really, really, lack the ammo to get the deal done and may have to just bankrupt the future to get Cutler. I doubt the Broncos want Campbell and he's worth maybe a third round pick on the open market. The Redskins would literally have to give up at least three first round picks.

Now the Panthers make a ton of sense. Jake Delhomme, Julius Peppers and a second round pick for Cutler and Scheffler. Sure the Panthers would devestate their pass rush but I get the impression that Peppers is gone one way or the other. There's no way to replace him on the open market so they'd have to look through the draft regardless. If they did this deal they would solve their QB and TE problems, which would basically complete their offense. They could dedicate their entire draft to the defensive side of the ball. The Broncos would get a premium pass-rusher and a stop-gap QB who has at least one more year in him. Pretty good deal.

The Bucs are another prime landing spot due to their glaring, gaping hole at QB. If they thought Luke McCown was the future they wouldn't have tried to get Cutler the first time. The problem is they have even less ammo than the Redskins when it comes to this trade. I mean they've really got nothing to offer. It would probably take more draft picks than they gave up in the Gruden deal, considering they don't have a second rounder to give up this year.

The 49er's are another team with a terrible QB situation. Cutler would be viewed as a hero-type in San Fran (think Philly when T.O. first showed up) and it would by Singletary the year or two he needs to rebuild the team properly. I'm not sure that the 49'ers have the ammo to get it done, but their first round pick might become more valuable to the Broncos if Mark Sanchez were still on the board. If that was the case, maybe two first round picks would be enough. And they'd probably throw in Alex Smith, just to drag him closer to Ryan Leaf-type infamy.

Poor Jets. If all of this had been going on before Favre had retired, think of the press headlines that couldn've generated. Favre and the Jets first round pick (and change) to the Broncos for Cutler? I doubt it would've work, but something tells me Favre would've been at least a little bit interested. The Jets may have a few pieces to offer the Broncos (David Harris, Thomas Jones, Leon Washington) I'm not sure they can afford to part with any of them. The Jets would ultimately have to overpay drastically in the form of draft picks, just like the Redskins or Bucs.

Just how much alike are the systems of Charlie Weis and Josh McDaniels? Because Brady Quinn did seem to run the former's very well. Could Cutler and Quinn be dealt straight up for each other? Nope. What about that rumored Shaun Rodgers and Quinn for Cutler deal? Now that deal really does seem to make a great deal of sense. I'm not sure that it's going to happen though. The Browns really, really need Shaun Rodgers for their defense to have a prayer next year. Plus the fans are still on board the Brady Train. If he became a superstar in Denver the Cleveland fans will hold it against Cutler, fair or not, unless he wins Super Bowls.

So I wrote all of this, I must have an idea about where Cutler's going right? I think I have even less of an idea now than when I started. If I had to guess I would say that it's either going to be an exremely convuluted multi-team trade or a single team will overpay drastically. If it goes the multi-team way Cutler could end up on any one of the eight teams, or possibly even 23 teams depending on how crazy the deal got. If Cutler is dealt for a massive package of draft picks and players look for the Jets or the Redskins to be starting Jay Cutler at QB next season.